From Burnout to Breakthrough: The Mindset Shift Every Entrepreneur Needs with Dr. Jill Rosenthal | 009

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: so well. First of all, I just have to say I'm new to the purple hair. Over the last six weeks, I was supposed to be lavender, but we're working on that. It'll happen there. But yes, so, you know, it kind of it fits, along with reinventing oneself. And I started out, you know, I was busy, busy physician, you know, 35 plus years in practice, taking care of everybody but myself, and, you know, doing lots of things I enjoyed, and too many things I didn't enjoy. And then over a couple of years, two and a half year period, I lost both my parents. I had foot reconstruction. I ended up I was taking care of my husband, who has Alzheimer's disease, and had to go into assisted living, and I wound up with a breast cancer diagnosis and had surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, all of this in a two and a half year period while raising a teenager. And you know, probably I'm leaving out a couple things and something had to give. And unfortunately, part of what gave was I lost my medical career to a disability retirement, and I ended up getting certified as a coach, at first, kind of for myself to get the knowledge and self development and then, but then it turned out, in order to get certified, I had to do a lot of coaching, I had to log the hours, and I was hooked. And I really I didn't want what happened to me to happen to anybody else, or if it did, I wanted to help guide them through it. And I'm sort of straddling to kind of a lot of it's the same people, but two different areas that I work with them on, and one of them is dealing with the emotional aftermath of cancer, because, you know, there's even after treatment, if you think you're clear, there's, there's still a lot going on for people, and it really gets in their way. But the other is, which is more relevant to your audience, is dealing with stress and overwhelm and burnout, which, by the way, are the things that can land you in a situation, you know, in the situation in which I found myself and so to me, really helping other women deal with this stress in their lives so that they can love their life and their work and their relationships is important, and helping them get unstuck is important. You know, you know, as a business coach, you know people, they know what to do, they just can't get themselves to do it, and that's what I help with. Yeah,

that's awesome. And I know your focus is on women, and for our conversation today, I just want to open this up. This applies to everyone that we're having today. So if you're, if you're out there and you're like, I'm not a woman, this conversation is also for you, because, yeah, most

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: of my clients are women, but it this is, this is you. Reversal, yeah, but it just happens that a lot of my clients are women. Yeah,

absolutely. So can you talk a little bit, Dr Jill about the the juggling, because you had, you had a physician practice that is a business. I mean, I know that most people come out of school, doctors and lawyers and people who do life insurance, they come out of out of the education, knowing what to do, but not how to run a business. So can you talk a little bit about that whole juggling of, you know, creating the business and the stress that goes along with that, and what lessons you learned along the way? Well,

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: I actually, in my medical career, I did not create a business. Oh, I was, I was an employed physician. I was in academic medicine for the first nearly 20 years of my career, and then I moved across the country to take another position where I was an employed physician. And that carries, you know, its own different set of stresses. My first business that I ever started was my coaching business. Oh,

I'd love to hear like, what lessons you learned along the way that you were able to pull,

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: you know, that was, that was a totally different kind of ball game. You know, when you are employed, you know, there's a lot of the infrastructure that you don't have to worry about, or the marketing, or, you know, anything like that. But you also don't have, you know, you don't have nearly the amount of autonomy that you would like. You know, there, there are people telling you what to do sometimes and when to do it. So when I, when I opened my coaching business, I had to learn not only what to do, but, you know, I had to manage myself in a different way. You know, when you're a doctor and you're employed like, you know, I get up, I go to work, the patients are scheduled. I go, you know, I see them. I eventually, you know, eventually I go home. But when you're an entrepreneur or a business owner, you're the one who has to start everything and carry it along and finish it. And so that's a big place where people get stuck,

because that's a real paradigm shift to go from employee or, you know, not that you were an employee. You might have been an employee. I don't know. Would you say that an employee? So you go from the employee mindset, where everything is, you know, you show up, do your job and leave, essentially two you're wearing all the hats, right?

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: And as an employee, you know, I was a leader. I was, you know, I was the local lead for my department. I had a team that I led, I, you know, but it was in part, leadership by virtue of the position that I held now and I right now, I'm the only person in my business, but I am a leader in my in various communities, both in the cancer community and in the coaching community, people come to me now, I'm a leader by virtue of who I am and what I do, which is, you know, it's a different thing, but you also, you have to lead yourself, yeah,

and give us some let's talk about leading yourself, because every entrepreneur has this in common, yes,

Yeah, I've been doing work on myself. I you know, I get I have coaches. I do work on myself. I do personal development, professional development, and one of the things that I have just been working with. Someone is my when I was not two year old, and when I was seven, my father died. And while I process that as a child, I didn't realize what things were hanging on as an adult, and I realized that as a seven year old, I somehow put some kind of idea on if it's really important, I have to do a good job, otherwise people will die, right? And that's so that hasn't worked. That's just, that's just something I've been working on recently. So I totally, I totally get that stuff that that gets caught in childhood can follow you along, and that's the person who's been running the show the seven this is,

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: this is exactly what happens. You know, kids are they're really good observers, like they're sponges, and they see and hear and absorb everything that's happening around them, but what they're not good at is interpreting and making meaning, because their brains aren't fully developed yet, until they're at least 25 and so the meaning, you know, as that seven year old, you know, you put a certain meaning on things and and you carry that along. And the thing is, a lot of it gets carried along, not even at a conscious level, but at a subconscious level. It's, you know, it's the iceberg. Most of it's unburied under the surface of the ocean. And so that you know that need to do everything perfectly, you know, until you started doing that deeper work, you probably had no clue as to where it came from and that that's exactly the kind of that's exactly the kind of work that I do with people. I uncover that stuff. And, you know, this happens. I mean, it's not even just a matter of what gets people stuck in perfectionism, and this is a really common one, especially for women. But you know, one of the basic needs that we have as humans is to be accepted. You know, we need our parents, in particular, to love and accept us, and so we'll do anything to get that. And so that translates often into, you know, I have to do everything perfectly, and if I can't do it perfectly, then I'm just not going to do it, or I'm going to start it and not finish it, or, you know, whatever. And that's super common. But it also happens, you know, in other you know in relationships, and if you're in a business where you have, you know you have a team, or even if you're dealing with clients or something, or certainly in you know relationships with your family members, not just your partner, but anybody and friends. Is that, you know, little things trigger us and send us right back. You remember the game shoots on ladders? Yeah, yeah. So, like, you're here, like, all of a sudden, you're like, yeah. And something happens, and all of a sudden, you know, you're five years old, right? And you look, you know, you look like you're a grown up on the outside, but a five year old is running the show, yeah? And then you say something, and the other person is triggered, and before you know it, there are two five year olds in the room, and there's no grown up in sight, and we all know what happens then. And so this is where a lot of relationships get into trouble. This is where a lot of business relationships can get into trouble. And I think it's, it's a place where business owners and leaders can really get into trouble unless they figure out that stuff.

Yeah, absolutely, yeah. And it's really a powerful thing to make that connection to understand that, because then it's like, oh, it's, it's not just, you know, it's not just this. It's stuff that we can't even see. It's not, it's not all conscious. It's not, yeah,

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: it's not all conscious. And the thing is that understanding it consciously. It isn't necessarily even enough to fix it. You have to heal it, emotionally and somatically in your body. You know, just knowing that you know for you, just knowing that your need to do things perfectly, you know, comes from your fear of losing people because your dad died when you were seven. Like, it makes sense, and you go, Oh, yeah, but, like, unless you actually really feel that and meet that need that you had at seven, then it doesn't completely do the trick. Yeah, you

need to get it out of your body. And I don't think people understand that we retain memories and information that we've long forgot. Our body still remembers that yes,

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: and that's and that's how all of this stuff ultimately turns into cancer and heart disease and autoimmune disease and diabetes and a whole host of other chronic illnesses. And so dealing with, you know, aside from, it doesn't feel good to be stressed and anxious and fearful. It's really bad for your body. It's bad for your immune system. It's, you know, it's just, it's just bad for you, you know, and there, which is not to say that there's not a lot of kind of cognitive, you know, like you can do a lot with reframing, right? You know, I remember, can you

just say what reframing in because, because it's one of my favorite things to do.

I love that. That's amazing. My favorite one is technology. And I Well, we're learning to be best friends, and we're not. So instead of getting frustrated and angry and yelling at my computer, I have reframed that into when I have a technological problem, I am curiously amused. I'm going to find out what's wrong and I'm going to laugh all the way. That's my reframe, you know? So I needed to get myself in a more positive place, because it wasn't serving anyone right? So that's

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: not that, that one's not my problem. Little but here's another one, like taking something, as, you know, a challenge, but in a good way, like an opportunity, like, like, you know, I know there is an answer to this, and I'm gonna find it. I love that old I'm an old mathlete, you know, from 50 years ago. I've got my mathlete problem books upstairs somewhere, you know, I'm an English

major map solve your own problems. But

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: if you decide, you know, this is, I'm going to figure this out, you know, I can figure this out. Then it has, you know, it just gonna feel different.

Yeah, yeah, I love that. That's such a that's such a take home tip that the profit connectors can grab on to reframing. I mean, everything that you've said, Dr Jill in this interview has been amazing. Thank you so much for sharing all of this with us. And so profit connectors, I have some good news. Dr Jill has a gift for you, and I want to give her a minute to tell you about it.

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: Sure. So I have a PDF that they can download, and it's called get unstuck, and they can find it at Dr Jill gift.com/other dot com, slash unstock, so it's D, R, j, i, L, L, gift.com and that will help them figure out the conscious part, the subconscious part, and they can also Find me on my website, at Dr Jill, rosenthal.com,

awesome. So what we're going to do is we are also going to put that and our and our club community, which is profit connectors dot club, C, l, u, B, that is our profit connectors club. We'll have her information in there as well. And I would just like to say thank you, Dr Jill, so much. You are amazing. You've got such a deep well of information, and my heart is just so big and happy that you are helping people get unstuck, and you are helping people find those things, the invisible things that are keeping them where they don't want to be, so that they can be released to do amazing, wonderful things in the world. Thank you so much. Dr Jill, yeah,

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: they are released. Actually, the name of my company is called, release it forever.

Release it forever. I love it awesome. Well, if you want to release it forever, make sure that you check out, Dr Jill, and thank you again, so much for being here.

Dr. Jill Rosenthal: Thank you. Was great.